[Mailing #47] Our first little victory

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btc24refund
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[Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by btc24refund »

Dear BTC-24 victims,

As you might have heard, some of the victims that signed up with our legal action had received a reply from our lawyer. I can confirm that at the present moment, 50 motions have been submitted to the prosecutor in Poland. This immediately had it's effect already,
it seems that the prosecutor was overwhelmed by the amount of victims that have reported themselves. The general impression I have, is that the prosecutor kept this open case on the shelve just to show he's doing his job but as we all know, he took his fair time with
our case in particular. Thanks to our efforts it seems the case has been put in rapids. The prosecutor told our lawyer he had finally had the chance to seek contact with Simon (successfully, as far as I know) and is now planning to contact his lawyer, which by the way
is not RDP law, as I have found out today. The fact, exactly at the moment we file our motions, the prosecutor wanted to wrap up the case speaks for itself of course.

The prosecutor also seemed somewhat intimidated by the attention this case is currently receiving and seems very keen to settle it; however, the situation currently is that 50 people have claimed an interest and this will increase the time required to wrap up
the investigation. It is unclear wether the case will be dismissed as in Germany or if the case will actually go to court. Hopefully we will find this out later. At the moment though, the money is still under confiscation as it has been for the past years.

In regards to the investigation taking more time; at the current situation we are all required to be interrogated. Fortunately, our lawyer is familair with a new law that allows interrogations to be done digitally. This way we can be interrogated via, for instance Skype as the law permits this. The prosecutor is very reluctant for this as they have a "lack of expertise, equipment and specialists". The prosecutor also has mentioned that the interrogations might extend the investigation with up to 2 years. This is a very long time period but considering we are well organised I am sure we can manage. There are ways to speed up the process which would require one or two victims to go to Poland and be interrogated on site. I'd imagine such an option to be realistic.

In summary, thanks to our lawyers and our initiative, we've been able to wake up the prosecutor in Poland. It's quite a coincidence that the case was just about to be wrapped up now when there are 50 victims knocking on the prosecutor's door. Based on our filed motions we are seen as a damaged party and required to be interrogated. After interrogations the investigation will be done and the case will either go to court or be dismissed. With us being interrogated it might be enough to send the case to court. In that situation it would
take years longer but we would be legally tied to the case and thus the money.

There however is a second option available to us. If Simon would appear again in public and start communicating, showing his intentions, the whole situation could be resolved faster. Probably in matter of weeks, instead of years. This would require us to trust Simon to pay out the funds as he had done before. Even though his skills on the field of communication have been horrible, he hasn't factually robbed us of our money. Because of this reason I will try again, to contact Simon in the hopes to find a constructive solution with him. A speedy solution would be in the interest of us as well as Simon, who I don't picture wanting to see this dragging on for years either.

Of course, since Simon is reading along with us, he can of course also take initiative on his own and contact me at btc24.refund <at> gmail <dot> com or post on the forum.

Next to this I will also talk our next steps through with our lawyer should communication continue to be impossible with Simon.

Our goal is to get our money back, which remains unchanged. We've made a big step forward and it couldn't have been done without the community. As soon as I know more you will be the first to know.

On the forum you can write any questions to the lawyer or comment on this mailing.

Any donation is welcome at wallet: 12eEc2AHzpdw37udZ95Qg3Av3ahwyii47T
It is also possible to transfer donations via Bankwire, if you are willing to donate via that route, please contact me personally for further details. Donations done through bankwire will also be posted anonymized on the forum for transparancy and verification purposes.

Regards,
Jeff

Izi
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by Izi »

I think this is the laziest prosecutor in Poland. I believe he has done close to zero work in the past 2 years.

Unfortunately we still don't know if he will dismiss this case. I really hope Simon is reading this and will get in contact with us or our lawyer.

drywall
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by drywall »

This is great news! Congratulations!

Can we get the name of the lawyer, if not publicly then privately? Perhaps that's a way to get to our bitcoins.

Broke
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by Broke »

Spoke with our lawyer 2 days ago on the phone (not very exact interpretation as what he said but some points):

2 of our members are about to go to the court to talk as witness.
According to him it looks like this case is going to be dismissed.
If the case is going to be dismissed which is very likely to happen then they are going to release the money.
If not then the lawyer is going to the court to defend the victims.
Because the case is very confidential the lawyer doesn’t know too much about the case.
He was’t that much talkative because he was going to the doctor and seemed to be in a big rush.

timoue
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by timoue »

Thanks for the update, Broke.

I suppose, "defend" should be "represent," because we are not accused of anything. At least I hope so :-)

btc24refund
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by btc24refund »

Thanks for the update Broke,

I've mailed them for an update and received a reply today. Expectation is that in the next week there might be a response from the prosecutor in the forthcoming week. I do get the impression that the prosecutor is still trying to wrap this up as soon as possible.

Izi
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by Izi »

btc24refund wrote:Thanks for the update Broke,

I've mailed them for an update and received a reply today. Expectation is that in the next week there might be a response from the prosecutor in the forthcoming week. I do get the impression that the prosecutor is still trying to wrap this up as soon as possible.
I hope they are right, but I personally wouldn't bet tol see any solution before September, because public sector takes summer vacation very seriously. :D

btc24refund
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by btc24refund »

Izi wrote:
btc24refund wrote:Thanks for the update Broke,

I've mailed them for an update and received a reply today. Expectation is that in the next week there might be a response from the prosecutor in the forthcoming week. I do get the impression that the prosecutor is still trying to wrap this up as soon as possible.
I hope they are right, but I personally wouldn't bet tol see any solution before September, because public sector takes summer vacation very seriously. :D
Nothing so far yet

Broke
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by Broke »

The summer is almost over and maybe it's time to get back and finish this work. It's obvious by now that prosecutor is not in a rush mode and this case is not bothering him at all. Should we contact a local paper and talk with them about the whole incompetence of this specific prosecutor who's not able to finish a task?

btc24refund
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Re: [Mailing #47] Our first little victory

Post by btc24refund »

Broke wrote:The summer is almost over and maybe it's time to get back and finish this work. It's obvious by now that prosecutor is not in a rush mode and this case is not bothering him at all. Should we contact a local paper and talk with them about the whole incompetence of this specific prosecutor who's not able to finish a task?
I've been poking the lawyer some time; apparently he had to undergo some kind of important surgery and was unable to continue. He should be up and running again though. He tried contacting the prosecutor last friday but he was not at his office. I'll continue to send the lawyer reminders.

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